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- From: mpower@ee.net (MPower 'your future today' -- Mark Otero)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.databases.sybase,comp.databases.oracle,comp.databases.informix,comp.databases.oracle
- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job Positions
- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:23:02 GMT
- Organization: MPower 'your future today'
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- johnyc@mainelink.net wrote:
-
- >In article <4fe3ov$pc0@qualcomm.com>, nabbasi@qualcomm.com wrote:
- >>
- >>There is no execuse for someone not to have one nowadays. You can go to
- >>night school and get one. you can get a student loan, you can work part time
- >>and go to school part time, etc...
-
- >This is the kind of claptrap that really irratates me. I have found through
- >my 20 years of experience that the *best* computer people are those who have
- >not had to go to college to learn something. They were able to pick up a
- >book, on their own, sit down with only their own personal motivation and learn
- >something.
-
- >I have not hired some college grads because they did not have any motivation
- >to learn other than 'I was interested in it and it looked like a good field'.
- > In fact, today I showed a SAS programmer (who had a masters in engineering)
- >what was wrong with his code, even though it was the first SAS program I had
- >ever seen, and I did not have access to the manual.
-
- >I bought my first computer at 17 (a TRS-80). I attended one semester at Miami
- >University of Ohio (where I was going major in Mathmatics) and dropped out
- >because of all the idiots going to school there. My roommate was a chemistry
- >major who could barely do basic algebra and partied every weekend. But his
- >father was rich so he could afford it.
-
- >I take college courses to learn the things I am interested in, not the things
- >that are required in order to keep college professors employed.
-
- >>
- >>Yes, if you were looking for a GOOD job, not having a degree will hinder you.
- >>
- >Consider this, if a company will only hire college grads, and refuses to look
- >at anyone else, ask the following questions:
- >1. Do you want to work for such a shallow company??
- >2. Do you want to work for a company where company policy is king, and not
- >creative thinking and decision making??
- >3. Do you want to work for a company that micro-manages its managers to the
- >point of telling them who they can and cannot hire based on some false
- >assumption (ie: There is no one without a college education that can be a
- >highly productive employee with excellent job-related skills.)
-
- >A real manager has a list of questions to ask prospective employees to verify
- >that the person being interviewed has the necessary skills to do the job. A
- >real manager can look at a resume and weed out those who do not have the
- >skills, and those that should be interviewed.
-
- >To paraphrase Mark Twain --
- > I wouldn't want to work for any company that would not have me for an
- >employee.
-
- >>
- >>Education can very rewarding.
- >>
- >At least there was something in this post I can agree with.
-
- >But consider this, how smart is someone who just spent 4 to 6 years of their
- >life and their own money studing something when they have probably could have
- >gotten a two year degree technical degree for a lot less money, gone to work
- >for a company, and then had the company pay for their degree?? Or could have
- >gone into the armed services for 4 years and had Uncle Sam pay for it??
-
- >Just my opinions, even though they are the only correct ones :-)
-
- Success in any endeavor depends upon:
- -- ones ability to suck up the facts
- -- chew them up
- -- swallow their knowledge
- -- digest their relevancy in time
- -- and finally dump the excrement.
-
- This is not a four year process but a life long struggle.
- Unfortunately four universities are not in the business of
- creating thinkers and doers, but rather churning out the corporate
- army ants mandated by Corporate America.
-
- As to what curriculum is in vogue is solely determined by the
- corporate endowments. Eighteen years ago we needed EEs,
- ten years ago we needed CPAs, today we need PAs,
- tomorrow it will be GMs.
-
- Since the beginning of time only one breed remains in
- constant demand, -- creators.
- For it is they who manifest the world as we know it
- and keeps the masses calm.
-
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